Euro 2012 – Polish hotel disaster!

Poland’s preparations for the football championships in 2012 continue to resemble a drunk wandering through a minefield. I hate to think how things look in Ukraine.

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Euro 2012 – Poland / Ukraine

After a slow start and many warnings from UEFA & FIFA that the chumpionships will be removed and given to Scotland instead, work on the stadiums finally got into full swing a few months back. Everyone took a deep breath and relaxed, happy that 2012 was back on track. Now, like a bolt from the blue comes the terrible realisation that the hotels destined to house some of the teams are simply not up to required standards!

Eight international teams are expected to reside in Poland for the tournament and UEFA impose strict regulations governing where they can stay:

UEFA holds strict standards for housing football teams during international competitions: teams must stay in a 5-star hotel, with a minimum of sixty rooms with one conference room per 100 people. The hotel must be situated so that it is not easily accessible to fans or journalists, with two practice fields in the area, yet within one hour of an airport.

Anyone who has travelled around Poland knows this is an impossibility but that hasn’t stopped the enterprising Poles trying it on. One such place is the Hotel Jarota. Nestling gently between Nowhere and Nowhere Dolny, Jarocin is a town of 25,000 people made famous for holding the first rock/punk concerts in the former Eastern Blok back in the 80’s. Possibly the only UEFA criteria this place meets is to be within 1 hour of an airport but they will have to hack into Google maps and change the code because it currently gives a drive time of 1 hour 3 minutes to Poznan, the nearest place of any significance. Perhaps Poznan International Airport, that hub of European travel, is the Jarocin side of the town centre?

The hotel is part of a wider offering known as Jarocin Sport and has various sporty things attached to, or close by, the hotel. Things like swimming pools, running tracks and football pitches. Someone obviously put 2+2 together, made 16 and decided this was an ideal venue for the likes of Christiano Ronaldo to get themselves into peak physical and mental condition ready to help their team win Euro 2012. To that end, they added the statement on their website that the “Ośrodek akredytowany dla drużyn na EURO2012” (Centre is approved for use by Euro 2012 teams).

Can this be true? Are they really, truly, ready to cater to the demands of an entire squad of players who are paid on average around 250,000 zloty PER WEEK? Who need somewhere to park their Bentleys, Astons & Ferraris. That’s assuming they didn’t bring their planes and helicopters with them. Many of these people are more up their own *hole of self-importance than are Hollywood stars and certainly all of them are used to being as well looked after as the president of a major international bank, dictator of a small nation or member of a royal family. Where do the WAGs hang out, assuming they are allowed to visit? Are they supposed to pop out for shopping and manicures to nearby Pleszew?

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WAGs doing what they do best

Well, according to UEFA they are not ready to cater for such illustrious clientèle. As the article states:

A complex in the western city of Jarocin ……. is being presented with difficulties in completing UEFA standards, despite the fact that the Jarocin Sport centre, partially owned by the regional government, includes a full-service hotel, five fields, and covered and open swimming pools.

In order to fulfill UEFA’s requirements, a 17-million zloty (3.8 million euro) [renovation? – Ed] of the hotel must occur, forty percent of costs will be covered by the EU. Cost analysis calculations have shown that, despite EU supplementary funds, the region will lose 150,000 zloty (34,000 euro).

This is a great scam, isn’t it? Find some borderline location that is in need of improvement, present it to UEFA, get a list of reasons why it’s no good, fabricate calculate a multi million Euro budget for doing the necessary works, get the EU to pay 40% of it (which actually covers 100% of the real costs no doubt), do the work, put up with the footballers for a few weeks and then milk the wedding reception business for the rest of your life – “Ale fajne! We had our wesele in the place the Portuguese team stayed for Euro 2012. We even slept in the same room as Christiano Ronaldo!!”.

“Our analysis does show, however, that after increasing the standard of the hotel, the complex will earn back the money,” stated Slawomir Chrzanowski, head of the firm Jarocin Sport.

“We are making up our financial losses by hosting wedding parties,” adds Jan Jurkiewicz, hotel investor in Straszecin, southern Poland. Jurkiewicz is heavily invested in a sports complex near Rzeszow, meant to serve teams playing in Chorzow or Krakow in the Euro2012 matches.

I have to confess that I just LOVE places like the Hotel Jarota because they have a sort of essential Polishness about them that cannot be explained. Just look at it:

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The internationally famous – Hotel Jarocin

Even though you’ve never visited, you immediately know a few things about this place:

  • It is possible that it was built post-communism but most likely it was built in the 70/80’s and originally intended as one of those “ośrodek rekreacyjny” where workers of one proud industry or another were able to go for a holiday in the country. The architecture & furniture will be exactly the same as can be found in every other hotel of that era.
  • It is going to have a “Prezes” whose office will be massive (circa 40m2) with old fashioned furniture and a Pani sitting outside who’s good at making tea with lemon & honey. Trying to meet with the Prezes will be impossible because he’s such a busy man, although the office will look as if it has never been used and you’ll not find any papers on the desk. Of course, if he wants to meet you and then he’ll have all the time in the world. The Prezes will be wearing a slightly oddly-fitting suit with a waistcoat and shiny shoes but he won’t look comfortable in it. He’d prefer to be at his działka wearing dresy with adidasy. Apart from being the despot of this hotel complex, his influence is likely to extend into the surrounding area and the town of Jarocin itself. He will probably drive an expensive car. He will appear to be loved and feared in the same proportion. He will be very proud of what he has achieved with his sport-hotel complex but will have little idea about UEFA regulations or the world of the modern professional footballer outside of Poland, possibly even within Poland.
  • A member of the Prezes’ family sells curved aluminium framed glazing panels suitable for creating curtain wall effects above hotel entrances!
  • The Prezes’ favourite colour is orange.
  • The bedrooms will have that kind of small towel-shaped cloth on the bed that I always pick up and wonder what the hell I’m supposed to do with it.
  • The bathrooms are 60% likely to have those “push & squirt” soap dispensers next to the sink and in the shower.
  • There will be some ghastly art on the walls.
  • The hotel will be clean and generally well run. The restaurant will serve good food for a decent price and at least one dish will be served with “hunter’s sauce”.

In the fall, Poland will present UEFA with 30 to 35 locations to host teams for the coming games. The European Football Association will pick 16 of the best. Teams will then choose eight locations to stay in during the championships.

Does this mean all 30-35 get to dip their noses in the EU slush-fund or just the eight selected locations? Not sure how this is supposed to work but anyway – good luck to them all & may the best Prezes win!

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45 thoughts on “Euro 2012 – Polish hotel disaster!

  1. Ania says:

    We all know that football business here is corrupt. I would vote to fire everyone and start over.

    3 years left to go. If the dear Liberal Tusku will mess it up as bad as everything else, it may be the chance of getting rid of him. For now he is just too well sponsored. POPiS divide and rule. Dirrty Basterds.

    Germany is planning to lower their taxes. I wonder that with their social system they can afford it, and our dear liberals can’t.

    I know, I know, Scatts. The hotels have no quilts on the double beds, no fry-ups, and venerable old pubs. Sorry about that. I personally like them a lot this way. Simple and clean.

    The Prezes wil have no time – ok, but tell me, does the Director always have time for you, or is he in a meeting, can I take a message, we’ll call you back?

    And with one of your points I agree with my four kończyny: EU is a great milking cow, for splashing our taxes around. Let’s put this idea to rest.

  2. Bob says:

    I hate to think how things look in Ukraine. (Maybe a sight better than Moldova)

    Great observations scatts – you are spot on. The only thing missing in Jarocin is that Pan Prezes has one of those padded/ulupholsteredoors to his office and blue finger tips from using his little ‘Pan Prezes’ rubber stamp

  3. guest says:

    Ronaldo will sleep in Lodz and Victoria Backam in Katowice….in Hotel “konsomolec” or “kosmonaut” ,ha ha.

  4. Nikodem says:

    Enjoyed it!!

    I do wonder who the better hotels will go to? How will UEFA decide this, by FIFA rankings?

    Now taking the tourney away from Ukraine and giving it to Scotland is an idea. Uefa, not wanting to take sides, decides not to play the final in either Rangers nor Celtics stadiums but goes with Motherwell’s Fir Park.

  5. steven says:

    Well Scatts… it appears you can take the boy from the island, but not the island from the boy. In typical, British, aloof to the rest of the EU, and the results of, Hitler, then 45 years of Stalin, you have pointed out the obvious with no mention of why. I wonder what London would look like after Uncle Joe was done screwing with British minds for 45 years.

  6. Scatts says:

    Ania, no no no. The beds do have duvets, of course, but they also have (on top of the duvet) a little cloth thing about the size of a hand-towel but too thin to be a towel. I have always assumed it is meant to be your own personal 1m2 of rug to put on the floor next to the bed but I really have no idea what it is. Same deal with the very small pillow that will undoubtedly accompany the giant pillow that rests on the bed. What’s that for? As a man who sleeps with two medium sized pillows, being confronted with one the size of an elephant and another the size of a pea always has me scratching my head for a while.

    And I’m with you, I have no problem with these hotels at all and am just as at home with a good Polish breakfast as I am with a ‘full English’.

    Directors may also be hard to contact but then most of them, like myself for example, are genuinely busy whereas my experience (perhaps not typical?) of these small town Prezes is that their unavailability is more a case of putting you in your place than that they genuinely have no time to spare. These small town big-shots are a piece-of-work, as our American friends would say. Loveable, but soon to become extinct.

    Nikodem – I wondered the same, in which order do the teams get to choose their hotel? Would be interesting to know. Location of their matches may have some influence perhaps. Jarocin would only be possible for Poznan & Wrocław stadiums really.

    Steven – Jeeez! To what end? I was trying to imagine how a bunch of pampered footballers would react to staying in Jarocin. I may have gone a little off piste with it but didn’t realise I’d opened myself up to the whole Hitler, Stalin, stupid Brit who didn’t have to deal with communism rant (again). Tell you what, if it’ll make you happy, let’s just leave the hotels as they are but put big signs on them saying “Poland welcomes Ronaldo and friends – you might not like this place but hey – you didn’t have to deal with the commies did you!!??” Better still, you could meet the players when they arrive and tell them face to face why they should either be happy with what they’ve got or piss off back to their own country.

    Or are you just having a bad day? ;)

    Is there a phrase in Polish for “Tongue in cheek”? I thought not.

  7. Ania says:

    steven – there would be more buildings like Coventry University:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2803770091_ed3f0386fd.jpg?v=0

    the issue is not that they don’t have modern architecture over the water. it’s just that they associate normal Britain with traditional houses,

    http://www.dreamstime.com/old-english-houses-image1600811

    and Poland with French modernist bloki:

    http://www.galeria.wstalowej.pl/index.php?showimage=48

    Just like I associate my Łódź with kamienice:

    http://www.mapofpoland.pl/Lodz,zdjecie,1,7169.html#galeria

    and my countryside with Kolumna:

    http://www.ariada.pl/galeria.php?gal=0

    Scatts,

    ahh, the large pillow, you see, is the peasant tradition. A large, well stuffed, square pillow and duvet were parts of dowry. Beds were made very tall, with several pillows: there’s a picture of a sleeping corner here:
    http://www.traper.waw.pl/s87/Skansen_Wsi_Mazowieckiej_w_Sierpcu

    About not being available… it’s possible that it’s the translator that’s not available at the moment, sorry. or the Pani Skretarka who runs the show while Pan Prezes looks masculine. Female dominated country, remember?

  8. Ania says:

    Is there a phrase in Polish for “Tongue in cheek”? I thought not.

    Robić sobie jaja. Mówić z przekąsem.

  9. guest says:

    Here are the 44 towns recommended by the Polish “Polski Związek Piłki Nożnej i Spółka PL 2012”

    Bielsko-Biała, Brzeg Dolny, Ciechanów, Dzierżoniów, Gdów/Wieliczka, Gniewino, Jarocin, Jelenia Góra, Józefów, Kluczbork, Kolno, Krośnice, Legnica, Lubin, Myślenice, Nadarzyn, Nałęczów/Puławy/Kazimierz Dolny, Oława, Opalenica, Ostróda, Piaseczno, Poddębice, Polkowice, Proszowice/Bochnia, Pruszków, Rybnik, Rzeszów/Straszęcin, Serock/Nowy Dwór Mazowiecki, Siedlce, Sobótka, Sosnowiec, Straszyn, Sulejówek/Wesoła/Otwock, Sulisław/Grodków, Trzebnica, Uniejów, Ustroń/Pawłowice Śląskie, Wałcz, Warka, Władysławowo, Wodzisław Śląski, Wołów, Wyszków, Ząbki/Zielonka.

    I think Island should check them out, if they are not too shabby :D

  10. DC says:

    If they really are anything like the characters on “Footballers’ Wives” they will need another cash transfusion to repair the hotels once they’ve gone.

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  13. Ewa says:

    Scatts, your descriptions took me straight back to some of the Polish hotels I’ve stayed in over the last 15 years! I’d just add the menus where breakfasts are variations on scrambled/fried/omlette with/without ham/cheese/kielbasa/tomato and/or 2 parowki and white bread with prepacked butter pats.

    I don’t really have a problem with the EU funds being used to upgrading former workers’ hostels or hotels in out of the way places though, particularly if they’re partially owned by the government (i.e. the taxpayer – I know, I know, this sounds naive, but indulge me). Let’s face it, there’s hardly a crowd of willing investors out there these days and I can see this kind of investment making a difference over the long term, especially in smaller communities. A shortfall of 150,000zl on an investment of 17million zl is surely well within the margin of error on any cost-benefit analysis? But it would be good to see some sort of post Euro 2012 performance targets (both hard/financial and soft/social) set for the management as a condition of investment. Something to make Pan Prezes think a little more creatively.

    I’d guess that most of these footballers haven’t come from wealthy backgrounds and I’d bet that the traditional Polish hospitality manages to win most of them over. The WAGs can always hang out with you in Warszawa…

  14. expateek says:

    Scatts, darling, next time just ask before you use a photo of me! The one above (on the left, sunglasses, black and white dress) doesn’t show me to best advantage — my publicist can find you something much nicer.

    Trust you’ll find me the name of a good nail technician before I get to Pleszew. Thanks, you’re a pip!

  15. kika says:

    Scatts – good observation, but you don’t know the Polish magic touch yet.
    How was it possible that in the 80 -s when there was literally only mustard, bread and vineager in the shops, when you were invitated to people’s homes for dinner or supper, you would find yourself surrounded with ham, sausages, salads, roast, cakes , layer cakes and God knows what else?
    I can assure you that the footballers will eat like Kings and their wives
    will be able to spend enough money on the beauty treatments ( incl. shopping).
    They just need to remember to bring their towels with them:))

    Good obseravtion by the way, from exactly the angle I would expect from an English man, but one can tell you’ve never lived here in the “old times”, and you don’t know how we can cope…that was a good sport, I assure you.
    Take care

  16. steven says:

    I predict that Poland will not be up to standards in time, the stadium will be racked with corruption and shoddy workmanship, and even if all standards are met, the standards will simply be raised just out of reach. Priorities, such as third world road and traffic problems, shit wages forceing people to commute to any EU destination but Poland to get a fair wage, and a senate that does a worse job than the commies, all need to take a back seat to football, so the Brits and Huns can get a good deal on a five star hotel during a silly football game. Sounds great let,s role up our sleeves and get to work.

  17. Scatts says:

    steven, I hear what you’re saying but is there a good reason why this country can’t do more than one thing at a time?

    I’ve been driving the 3rd world roads here for the last 11 years and, if you take Warsaw-Katowice as an example, precisely bugger all of any significance has improved in ALL that time. So here I am still driving down the equivalent of a poor condition “A road” dodging the thousands of trucks (half of which are not Polish) and looking out over the vast expanses either side where there could be a nice motorway.

    We haven’t had any Euro championships to worry about for the last 11 years and yet still nothing happened. Why is that? Eleven years is a long time, not to mention the other nine years when I wasn’t here.

  18. island1 says:

    Since I don’t give a flying fig where footballists end up and my experience of Polish hotels is limited I’m struggling to find something to comment on here, but I am confused by one thing – why don’t they stay in one of the big cities? Me no understand.

  19. steven says:

    For the same reasons we still have Za Meldowania, and other stupid formalities going on here. If you brainwash and screw with a nations head for 45 years, you can not expect to undue it all in 20, It will take 45 years to normalize things. Maybe longer. I had a friend in Wroctaw in 1994 who asked me…. I am not a communist man any more,, so where the hell is my BMW. And he was serious. They just don,t get it yet. You can not undue 45 years of communist occupation in 5 years.

  20. Ania says:

    Not just that, not just the zameldowanie. The need to control the population is seen in personal IDs, passports, registering the car, obligatory insurances, electric auditing of the houses etc. Passports are around for a century, but only 150 years ago people could travel just like that.
    But I suppose in a large population it’s just easier to use some form of ID. In the UK if I want something I have to present three letters or utility bills with my name and address. The banks, the post office, everyone knows my credit score. I suppose that I dislike being in control of the bank more than being on the PESEL list of the state. It’s just too big and messy to be able to use all that information.

  21. Bogusław says:

    When i hear a Pole claiming that communism had completely brainwashed minds of Poles i always wonder then whether he place himself among those already brainwashed Poles or perhaps he strongly believe that he is the only one who avoid his head from being destroyed by commies. ;)

  22. guest says:

    It is not about the Poles but about the beaurocracy, money, new EU-eco standarts “natura2000” and other things like that.

    It is much easier to build roads if you have money(hello marshall plan), plenty of state owned land and no problems with (ecological) regulations. This was the case in western europe after the war until the 80s when most of the roads were build.

    In Poland the situation is different. Between 1945-89 there were more than enough roads for the slow Polish maluch 126p. And in the last 20 years there was not enough money (“Balcerowicz”, “hyperinflation”) to bulid all the roads. Now after the economy has stabilized and Poland gets some money from the EU, the Polish state has to buy plenty of (expensive) private land and then it can build the new roads…but only if they are not in the “EU- natura 2000” ,and things like that.

  23. Bob says:

    As poorly prepared as Poland is – you can not imagine what is going on in the Ukraine. Here is an example: http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/45113

  24. kika says:

    Steven, excuse me, if we were brainwashed as you are saying, it would have never come to this moment – 20 years we abolished communism, opened the gates to the West not just for ourselves but also for other East European countries and we did because we realised exactly what was going on in our country! We took the first possible opportunity to change it, under the nose of the Bid Brother who was watching from the East.How would it be possible to change the unchangable and do the impossible in the middle of Europe without the 3rd War , if it wasn’t for our people ?
    And all the satire, all the comedies and art which was censored but still was produced and managed to get the message across?
    Mis, Bareja and others – the message was clear :
    We do realise in what an absurd world we are leaving and we never surrender !

    Brainwashed we may be, but first of all we are too lazy!
    We’ve done a great thing and something Poles are good at : we fought for freedom, it’s just we haven’t done enough after we regained it! But again it takes time to undo the economy and the law system, it takes time to undo the absurd porcedures and change something that for many years was there and was sort of “working”.
    Maybe we need another Big Wave to wake up.

  25. Bob says:

    Kika – you have some good points. One of the biggest problems in Poland is that things are not addressed head on, pain taken and closure established. As a result the country and people live under what I call a ‘hangover’ that never ends. Take for example the old SB files that are in the hands of the IPN – these should have been fully opened and published for all to see 20 years ago. Now they have become a political tool that are doled out slowly as the political winds change. This causes paralysis daily and is a cloud over much of what goes on in Poland – just one example of many.

  26. Scatts says:

    I hate to even mention it, but Poland could really use a Thatcher-like (God forbid) figure right now. Someone with enough power and megalomaniac tendencies to cut through all the horse-shit and get a few essential things done. It is painful but can really speed things up.

    Of course, with the current system of government it is never going to happen, nothing is ever going to happen. The paralysis of coalition and in-fighting will drag everything on for year after painful year….

    Poland really does need to (should have a long time ago) set up a separate chamber with absolute power to deal with things like roads. The country should set some very clear targets for things that are important for the country as a whole and then allow this body to make it happen – even if it means upsetting a few people along the way.

  27. Scatts says:

    Island – they can’t be in the towns because access is too easy for journalists, fans and others to disturb their preparations. From the UEFA rules – “The hotel must be situated so that it is not easily accessible to fans or journalists.”

  28. Ania says:

    Ok, Scatts, don’t get carried away.

    I’m sure a strong fist gets things done, but I would not want to live in a dictatorship. You know the names of guys who got things done. Everything can be solved without raping people’s lives on the way. Can’t just spank everybody and assume everything work like a clock.

    The current system is faulty, sure, and has good sides too. Can’t just chuck it out. Example of slow being good: the tragedy of Katowice building collapsed under snow pile:

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katastrofa_budowlana_na_%C5%9Al%C4%85sku_w_2006

    The same thing happened in Russia. There the rubble was just simply cleaned off and families allowed to light a candle. Here, the rescuers serched for people for DAYS, as long as there was hope, and on the last day allowed the families to go in. Nobody was found, but at least mourners could console their hearts.

    Bob: The secret files were not made public, because the ruling clan has not been changed. It only changed colours. To a point, Poland is now China – communist rule and few economic liberties. Filed under Magdalenka Agreement.

  29. steven says:

    Kika, dear, I am not saying that Poles where brain washed, I am saying the 10 % of Poles that ran the country, stood in no lines, and eagerly joined *PARTY were brainwashed. Poles are the only people on earth who kicked out Moscow with little or no blood shed. I am not Polish, but you have to respect the Polish mind. It is a force to be dealt with. For every kilometer of road improvement the city of Wroctaw would like to complete, there are 1700 property owners raiseing hell, and starting court petitions, and demanding extra money, and they can,t get a few meters widened a year. It is indeed the complicated Poland mind that prevents road improvement.

  30. kika says:

    I must admit I do not understand WHY the things are still not done, after so many years since we broke the “wall”. I am furious when I see how poorly my country is being governed , how nothing ever gets done or done properly. It’s not just we are lazy, we also are a nation of “talkers” not doers. We only consolidate and build a common front when we face an outside danger. Once it’s fought and out of sight people go back to what they do best :
    talking, arguing, more arguing, envying one anther and not letting the others to do anything out of pure jealousy or anger or malice. I hate this in the Polish people.
    It’s been going on like this for ages, for generations , we lost the country a few time because of it, then regained it, then lost it again and we never got the message! There is an old word for it, unfortunately still very alive : PRYWATA.
    It’s a noun – and means doing things only for your own good,at any price and not bother about the others.

    My only hope is in the young generation of Poles. In people who are now 18- 25 years old, they can see the world from a different perspective, they have clear priorities and goals , they understand what it means to live in a normal modern country ( with all due respect for our history and tradition) and hopefully they will remove all these bloody ivy roots that are tangling up our country and suffocating it. I am so looking forward to it.
    Basically I would remove ALL the current politicians and replace them with 25 years olds , straight after unis.
    Maybe they would get things done properly at last.

    By the way, Scatts , Steven why on earth have you chosen to live in Poland? In the country of absurds and contradictions ?
    I love this county but it’s my home , I was brought up here and I understand the whole story and history behind it. And I love it.

    But I guess it must be quite the other side of the mirror for you though?

  31. Bogusław says:

    @scatts
    “I hate to even mention it, but Poland could really use a Thatcher-like (God forbid) figure right now. Someone with enough power and megalomaniac tendencies to cut through all the horse-shit and get a few essential things done. It is painful but can really speed things up.”

    lol
    Why on hell should we follow british way when french (God forbid) are doing much better now? ;)

  32. guest says:

    kika, (and of course Scatts) you are way too pessimistic and negative.

    You can not build roads from one border to an other in 5 years or so. Between 1989 and 2000 Poland was a really poor country with hyperinflation, crime, “beer party” and so on. 2000-2005 was the period of stabilisation and real transformation. Now after 4 yrs Poland has finally enough money and enough know how/institutions to build infrastructure.

    Just look at the other big post communist countries.

    Poland, Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Hungary, Belorussia and the Chech republic.

    And then you will hopefully realize that Poland did pretty well in the last 20yrs.

    -10yrs negative transformation (destroying the old structures)
    -5yrs positive transformation (building new structures joining NATO, EU)
    -4yrs catching up with the west

    ———-

    Only Poland and the Chech Republic are in the “catching up with the west” phase IMO. And this is quite an accomplishment.

  33. guest says:

    …and lets not forget former Yougoslavia.

  34. steven says:

    Oh Lord, please……. anyone but Thatcher, and why must it be a Brit?
    If we are going to install a facist dictator to take one meter from everyones garden and widen the roads…….Why not an American? After all 25% of all Poles on earth live there..I nominate Jan Kowalski.

  35. steven says:

    And by the way guest > Have you driven the roads of Romania ?
    I have, the roads are much better, more modern,and safer to drive than Poland at the moment. Not to insult my Romanian friend)s( , but this should be embarrassing to the Polish Government.

  36. guest says:

    Steven

    Poland has ~746,3 km motorways
    Romania has ~279 km motorways

    Currently Romania has the least developed motorway network among all the European Union members.

    h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Romania

    h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_and_expressways_in_Poland

  37. steven says:

    Guest, get up in the morning and drive across Warsaw to the Airport, then do the same in Any city with an International Airport in Romania,and then let,s have this conversation again. Polish roads and the condition and workmanship of new roads in Poland are in fact far worse, Croatia too, and they don,t even get EU support. Cuase in those countries if the city decides to move your fence back 1 meter and pay you 100 Euros per square meter, they just take the money and enjoy a nice vacation or buy a car with the cash. A Pole can not do this, his mind is too complicated, in Poland nothing is simple, and if it is, there must be something wrong with it, it must be analized and approved by the senate. Kika, I choose to live in Poland, and work in Norway, becuase I love Poland, my Polish wife, my one son born in Poland living in the US, and my other son born in the US but living in Poland. Norway is ok but stricktly for the very good money it pays. I wish I could work in Wroctaw, but the four hours a day driving only 20 km drives me mad, The shit wages carpenters get paid irritates me too.

  38. guest says:

    “Cuase in those countries if the city decides to move your fence back 1 meter and pay you 100 Euros per square meter, they just take the money and enjoy a nice vacation or buy a car with the cash. A Pole can not do this, his mind is too complicated,”
    —————————————————————

    It is the Polish history and tradition. The so called “city” in the last 300yrs was often German/Russian/Austrian or Soviet. And thats why for every Pole private property is much more important than the “city”.
    And unlike farmers in the rest of Eastern Europe, Poland’s farmers resisted collectivization under Communism because it their minds it was “too complicated” .

  39. Scatts says:

    Poland has ~746,3 km motorways – and all of it in the WRONG place! :)

    I’d dispute that figure anyway, or at least the definition of “motorway”.

  40. Bogusław says:

    But at least we have railways that actually works ;)

  41. Ania says:

    well, last time when I were in Poland, the roads were improving fast, at least.
    and I hear the Przewozy Regionalne are taking some connections over from PKP.
    Looks like right moves are being done.

  42. Paweł says:

    Love the post Scatts:) Even though I’m not interested in football it made me laugh:)
    What I didn’t like was the discussion underneath, someone could really write a nice satire on Poland related Internet fora, as things always seem to go the same tracks:)

  43. Paweł says:

    Ania dear, it’s PKP Przewozy Regionalne competing with PKP Intercity. Where do you live right now? US?

  44. Peter carr says:

    Hopefully our boys will have the good sense to stay in Germany and travel from there.God help our supporters though…….

  45. Ania says:

    Nope. There is a new connection Warszawa-Kraków, check it out, Pawle.

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