A fine example of hypocrisy?

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What a very strange coincidence! Just a few days ago, our last post looked at the nation’s outrage at crimes against children under 15 and the plans to legalize chemical castration for offenders. A very clear moral stance taken by Mr Tusk and the nation as a whole.

Today I’m reading this:

“Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski is considering asking President Obama to pardon Roman Polanski, the director now in a Swiss jail awaiting extradition to the US.”

Mr Polanski has spent 31 years dodging his responsibilities by having never gone back to the US to answer the criminal charges that were put against him back in 1977. I don’t know what he expected to happen but I think most people will understand that the sheriff always gets his man so it came as no surprise to me that he was eventually detained. Given the surprisingly compliant attitude of the Swiss towards the US recently, it is equally understandable that he was detained at a Swiss airport.

Now, if the 1977 charge had been for shoplifting, one might just about argue that Poland has the right to go asking for a pardon for this famous son, however, the charge was for the rape of a 13 year old girl when Polanski was 44. To be precise, from Wikipedia:

Polanski was initially charged with rape by use of drugs, perversion, sodomy, lewd and lascivious act upon a child under 14, and furnishing a controlled substance (methaqualone) to a minor. These charges were dismissed under the terms of his plea bargain, and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.

Following the plea agreement, according to the documentary Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, the court ordered Polanski to report to a state prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation, but granted a stay of ninety days to allow him to complete his current project. Under the terms set by the court, he was permitted to travel abroad. Polanski returned to California and reported to Chino State Prison for the evaluation period, and was released after 42 days. On February 1, 1978, Polanski fled to London, where he maintained residency. A day later he traveled on to France, where he held citizenship, avoiding the risk of extradition to the U.S. by Britain. Consistent with its extradition treaty with the United States, France can refuse to extradite its own citizens. An extradition request later filed by U.S. officials was denied. The United States government can request that Polanski be prosecuted on the California charges by the French authorities.

Polanski has never returned to England, and later sold his home in absentia. The United States can still request the arrest and extradition of Polanski from other countries should he visit them, and Polanski has avoided visits to countries that are likely to extradite him (such as the UK) and mostly travels and works in France, Germany, the Czech Republic and Poland.

We all know that Mr Polanski has had more than his fair share of very difficult times but I don’t think any of them can honestly be used as excuses or reasons for him to be pardoned. Which leaves us with a situation where Poland on the one hand is outraged by crimes against children but on the other hand is considering asking for a pardon for a man accused of raping a 13 year old and who has been “on the run” since 1978.

Is it just me that has a problem with this? What do the 84% think of this move?

The US is not a stupid nation and when it comes to catching criminals on the run I’ll bet they dedicate a fair amount of resource and intelligence to it. The irony of Poland’s very public outcry about crimes against children must have rung all kinds of Polanski-shaped alarm bells in the Pentagon (or wherever the CIA/FBI hang out). Did Mr Tusk just paint Polanski into a corner?

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38 thoughts on “A fine example of hypocrisy?

  1. Malaysian says:

    Dudes, this blog is becoming more and more political, why do you guys have to leave out all the fun and funny stuff about each other that you used to have until recently ?

    Have you guys ran out of fun ideas ? Let’s talk for example, why Polish prefer an odd number of times of kisses on the cheeks for greetings compared to Spanish who kiss twice ???????

  2. magsymags says:

    I hate when when Mr. Sikorski creates himself as the one who cares about our nation and poor poor citizens. Well, I gotta say, he is always wrong and whatever he’s saying to the public is just pure populism. I just hate when he makes his statement about public issues. Hope he’ll never run for president!!!!
    And back to Mr. Polanski. Noone should be above the law. I don’t get all these artist trying to defend him. Why don’t we aks for pardon for Marczuk-Pazura? Why don’t we ask for pardon for everyone who’s comitted some crime and is famous? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!! Somehow they made me feel ashamed for my nationality….

    I remember when I was in Ireland and everyone was asking me why our president is fighting with nurses? Has he really done what they said in tv? Did You, Mags, vote for him??? So ashamed…
    Again.

  3. Scatts says:

    Malaysian, sorry about that. This post would have been a funny one except this news ties so well with the last post it was impossible to ignore.

    There’s also the question of staffing. I lean towards boring posts, Jamie does funny and Pawel does quirky. Jamie’s on honeymoon, Pawel is ?? and so here I am doing my best to hold the fort! ;)

    Mind you, I suppose in some ways this post is funny, just not as in your face funny as others.

    The kissing thing’s a good idea actually.

  4. guest says:

    Switzerland is an example of hypocrisy.

    They want to make a deal with the USA. They want to give them Polanski but keep the banking secret and the black US money. The same was with Gaddafii. Switzerland loves his money but did not want his son on their territory. Andlast but not least, let’s not forget good ols England. Gordon Brown gets Lybian oil and Gadaffi gets the Lockerbie bomber…

    This is a much bigger hypocrisy than the Polanski case, which was 31yrs ago in the “flower power” period when people had sex with everyone and everything. And the woman has forgiven him long time ago…

  5. Kiki says:

    What a coinsidence, indeed! Only yesterday I wrote that the pedophiles should be treated with drugs, as it is the most effective and human way to stop them from committing the same crimes again – and here we go – Polanski gets arrested.

    And yet, I do need to think – has he really committed a crime?
    The girl he met at Jack Nicholson’s looked like 19-20 years old, wanted to be photographed , drank alkcohol with pleasure and was very “social”. How on Earth could he know that she was only 13 ???

    Believe me , when I was 13 , I was constantly propositioned by the older men, as they were 100% convinced I was minimum 19!
    One of them didn’t even believe me when I showed him my legitymacja szkolna. Of course I never agreed to have a date with them, but still the interest was there all the time.
    I can very well understand why Polanski has fallen for her under the circumstances.
    That does not make him a pedophile though – it makes him an idiot.

    Surely he should be punished, but if the “victim” says , she doesn’t want to press charges any more, why do they have to continue with it on her behalf ? Cos the Sheriff always gets his way I suppose.

  6. Bob says:

    Good and timely post scatts.

    I think now that he has been captured by the long arm of the law, he should face the music. He plead, it was accepted, he awaited sentencing on his guilty plea and fled like a common criminal.

    Looking forward to watch this play out.

  7. Bartek says:

    a common sense should tell us politicians should neither intervene nor interfere in this case. I’m against any political endavours aimed at screwing out pardon for him. May he atone for his sins and if there’s anyone to deal with the detention, those are his wife, agents and lawyers who’ll be paid lavishly.

    Scatts, your diagnosis is sadly right – Poland is a hotbed of hypocrisy and hypocrites… I’m sick of listening to people taking pity on him. What would they say if he had raped their daughter?

  8. Ewa says:

    You’re winding us up, right?

    Exactly how authentic do you think a drugged 13 year old’s consent to sex would be anyway?

    sheesh.

  9. Ewa says:

    I think you’re doing great!

  10. Ania says:

    As you can easily see, Polanski is not a creature, he is clearly human (e.g., rich).

    The whole problem with that kind of Leftist, Nazi or Bolshevik, thinking, is that they will not abide by law, they will twist and bend it for their own purposes.

    What’s coming next: ordinary people will actually enjoy this bending if done in a famous cause. Since there was a Fritzl, let’s declare paedophiles ‘inhuman creatures’, instead of criminals. This goes well with a sense of public anger, and this is what those sick ideologies use to justify twisting the law.

    Bloodbath times are coming. This time not on the basis of being a minority religious group. This time it’s simpler. Babies can be killed as they are helpless. Elders can be killed as they are weak. Kiddie-fiddlers can be killed as they are despised. And, also, ‘there can be no tolerance for enemies of tolerance’, right?

    At least we are not as infected as France or Spain, but in times like those it is far safer to have a Monarchy, like the UK. I do hope that for the most times we will do with modern inventions what we always do, that is ignore and just stare blankly.

  11. Kiki says:

    Same as 19 years old …
    My point was that he did not realise she was that young, even Agelica Houston ( the partner of Jack N. at that time ) admitted that the girl looked 19-20. And what was she doing there anyway? She wanted to be an actor and wanted to be photographed… very mature ambition.
    Surely quite adult ?

    By the way – alcohol makes things easy, in any age.

  12. Scatts says:

    Let’s not forget that, allegedly, it was Polanski who administered the drugs in the first place – “rape by use of drugs”. Would he have needed to drug a consenting 19 year old or did he have to overcome a 13 year old’s natural tendency to escape this situation?

  13. kuba says:

    If she does not want to prosecute him it is still statutory rape.

  14. Scatts says:

    It gets worse – now we have a Polanski-lover’s bandwagon!

    http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/international/?id=116832

    “He might have committed sin but, if it is his only sin, it should be forgiven,” said former president of Poland Lech Walesa.

  15. kuba says:

    Since we forgave Kennedy, Clinton, Edwards, Magrabi for killing and sexual encounter Polanski should be forgiven. NOT.

  16. Steven says:

    I think the thirteen year old girl,s parents should stand trial and answer the charges of letting thier daughter out looking 19 and drinking and getting laid.
    Roman will get pardoned, but by a US judge, who will look at the facts, the 31 years, his career etc. But he should be brought in chains, and made to stand in front of a US judge, and apologize first for pleading guilty, then running away from his mistake.

  17. Bartek says:

    Why don’t we have the ‘equality before the law’ bandwagon?

  18. wu/tee says:

    Aside from Polanski (I think he should pay for his crime, btw)… Ever heard about “galerianki”? Young girls that are selling their bodies for e.g. new clothes or nwe cell phone models to guys found in shopping centres?
    I heard bout it a few times and today I heard part of the audition in Trojka radio… even twelve-year-olds are selling their bodies for cool stuff or simply to boast for having ‘an older guy’. Scary.

  19. wildphelps says:

    I have to agree with what Bob posted earlier – let us not forget that he pleaded guilty and has not served his sentence for that crime. Though his victim has forgiven him, he still has a debt to society. His career and livelihood certainly have not suffered because of this.

    Finally, even if the girl looked older and behaved inappropriately (and was misfortunate enough not to have other adults looking out for her), does that excuse his actions? As mentioned in the other thread, this starts us on the slippery slope, but in this instance of the oh so common gambit of blaming the victim. “She shouldn’t haven been there.” “She looked much older than what she really was.”

    At what point did it become acceptable to drug any woman regardless of age, rape her, admit it in a court of law, and then refuse to accept punishment for it whilst living the high life, making movies, traveling all over Europe and receiving awards for 30+ years?

  20. Scatts says:

    Good article, well found!

  21. Nikodem says:

    I think the issue with this case is that Polanski believes that the judge reneged on his plea bargain. He told Polanski’s lawyers that after the initial prison time of 42 days, psych eval, he would not make him serve more time. The judge then saw Polanski having a good time in Germany filming a movie and he thought that Polanski and the media were laughing at the judge, so he decided he was going to reneg and give him more time.

    The guy’s psyche was never the same after his wife and child were murdered by Charles Manson.

    This is kind of like Michael Jackson, since he’s a genius we’ll forgive him for molesting the young boys. I guess U.S. would do the same if Jackson got arrested in Switzerland.

  22. Felix says:

    Debt to society? This phrase infuriates me, what is it supposed to mean?
    If examined it would be clearly obvious that it’s the US society that owes a debt to the whole of mankind.
    We have a nation of sleeping fools who allow their rogue government to terrorise the rest of the world and somehow Polanski owes a debt to this sleeping mass of redundant protoplasm.
    Fuck the US and all praise to the French for opposing his arrest and thumbing their noses at the hypocritical USA. His so called victim is supporting Polanski so what’s the big deal? Or rather, what’s the hidden agenda?
    Once again we see the bully boy US throwing it’s weight around.

  23. Felix says:

    Life isn’t all about having fun. A concern for world politics is a concern for the future of the world. If more people were politically aware, half of the world’s problems would never have existed. Wake up! The time for fun is over!

  24. wildphelps says:

    Very compelling article. Thanks for the link.

  25. wildphelps says:

    Why the red herring argument? Any issue you have with the U.S. government does not change the fact that he broke the law and has done so for 30+ years.

  26. Scatts says:

    Felix, our very own Che!

  27. kuba says:

    Glad Felix cleared all this up. I thought the crusades started it all then well maybe WWI or the Germans in WWII ah hah but the Americans did it.

    One man Polanski a pedophile raped a 13 year old girl and ran from the law. Do the crime do the time.
    Rape my daughter you won’t have to do any time if I catch you.

  28. Does anybody know what would have likely happened to Polanski if he did this in Poland in 1978?

  29. Kiki says:

    The drug as far as I know was the old good schampange..
    I do believe that she protested, as all girls do, but in the end he did not pushed it down her throught I suppose?
    The question to me is :
    What was she doing there is the first place? Where were her parents?
    And why nobody told him (including herself! ) that she was 13?

    It is neither a pedophile nor a rape case to me.
    Just pure hypocrisy , that’s for sure.

  30. Pawel says:

    Scatts, you will be shocked to read this but I completely agree with you on this one.

  31. Scatts says:

    I’ve been unconscious since I read this comment.

  32. Scatts says:

    I’m guessing either Gulag or promotion to the KGB. Most likely the latter.

  33. Adam says:

    Exteeemly heavily loaded article. Did she or did she not look 19? Was Polanski drunk as well as her? Did he know she was frightened? Was she showing fear when she said no?

    If she did look 19, how do you think her actions, behaviour and eventual acquiesence look from his point of view. Did he know he was ‘raping’ a 13 year old or did he think he was getting it on with a momentarilly reluctant 19 year old. The article implies the former and has no right to do so.

  34. Kasia says:

    I read the initial report that Polanski’s accuser gave to the police – maybe it’s available through the smoking gun website – I’m not sure. The report doesn’t make much sense in one very specific area. In this report the girl claims her and Polanski were alone and no one else was ‘around’. She says Polanski raped her, then Jack Nicholsons wife came to the door and asked if everything is ok. She then left, and Polanski raped her again. Of course the report has a little bit more detail then that, but if she was so scared and alone and had just been raped (a traumatic experience one can safely assume), why did she not run out the door and get the woman to help her? Any rape victim that sticks around when there is a window of opportunity to get out, is really not that scared… Just my two cents!

  35. wildphelps says:

    Maybe because she was under the influence of the drug laced champagne Polanski gave her. And why are you blaming the victim?

  36. Kasia says:

    I’m not blaming the victim, I’m simply saying that the whole thing doesn’t make sense to me, that’s all. I really don’t care either way – I think it’s interesting how people so quickly listen to media reports rather then find out information on their own…

    From the report it is clear she could speak, and wasn’t drugged far enough into oblivion as she was able to complie a somewhat comprehensive report, therefore I cannot understand why 1) she would say no one else was in the house only to state later it was a party and 2) why she did not leave after he allegedly raped her the first time as there was an opening for her to leave once Jack’s wife showed up.

    Since when is questioning the victim, blaming the victim?

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